diff --git a/packages/node_modules/@node-red/runtime/lib/flows/index.js b/packages/node_modules/@node-red/runtime/lib/flows/index.js
index 2273e8b89..46406c68c 100644
--- a/packages/node_modules/@node-red/runtime/lib/flows/index.js
+++ b/packages/node_modules/@node-red/runtime/lib/flows/index.js
@@ -271,12 +271,12 @@ function getFlows() {
     return activeConfig;
 }
 
-async function start(type,diff,muteLog,isDeploy) {
+async function start(type,diff,muteLog,isDeploy, traceError) {
     type = type || "full";
     if (diff && diff.globalConfigChanged) {
         type = 'full'
     }
-    lastStarterStack = new Error('Flows started here').stack
+    lastStarterStack = traceError || new Error('Flows started here').stack
     started = true;
     state = 'start'
     var i;
diff --git a/packages/node_modules/@node-red/runtime/lib/index.js b/packages/node_modules/@node-red/runtime/lib/index.js
index 39b2025c5..68790e52b 100644
--- a/packages/node_modules/@node-red/runtime/lib/index.js
+++ b/packages/node_modules/@node-red/runtime/lib/index.js
@@ -131,6 +131,7 @@ function getVersion() {
  * @memberof @node-red/runtime
  */
 function start() {
+    const startedCaller = new Error('runtime/lib/index.start started here').stack
     return i18n.registerMessageCatalog("runtime",path.resolve(path.join(__dirname,"..","locales")),"runtime.json")
         .then(function() { return storage.init(runtime)})
         .then(function() { return settings.load(storage)})
@@ -233,7 +234,7 @@ function start() {
                     }
                 }
                 return redNodes.loadContextsPlugin().then(function () {
-                    redNodes.loadFlows().then(() => { redNodes.startFlows() }).catch(function(err) {});
+                    redNodes.loadFlows().then(() => { redNodes.startFlows(null, null, null, null, startedCaller) }).catch(function(err) {});
                     started = true;
                 });
             });