diff --git a/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/tab-info-outliner.js b/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/tab-info-outliner.js
index 81744e83b..32491f297 100644
--- a/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/tab-info-outliner.js
+++ b/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/tab-info-outliner.js
@@ -280,15 +280,18 @@ RED.sidebar.info.outliner = (function() {
             data:getFlowData()
         })
         treeList.on('treelistselect', function(e,item) {
-            var node = RED.nodes.node(item.id) || RED.nodes.group(item.id);
+            var node = RED.nodes.node(item.id) || RED.nodes.group(item.id) || RED.nodes.workspace(item.id) || RED.nodes.subflow(item.id);
             if (node) {
-                if (node.type === 'group' || node._def.category !== "config") {
-                    // RED.view.select({nodes:[node]})
-                } else if (node._def.category === "config") {
-                    RED.sidebar.info.refresh(node);
-                } else {
-                    // RED.view.select({nodes:[]})
-                }
+                RED.sidebar.info.refresh(node);
+                // if (node.type === 'group' || node._def.category !== "config") {
+                //     // RED.view.select({nodes:[node]})
+                // } else if (node._def.category === "config") {
+                //     RED.sidebar.info.refresh(node);
+                // } else {
+                //     // RED.view.select({nodes:[]})
+                // }
+            } else {
+                RED.sidebar.info.refresh(null);
             }
         })
         treeList.on('treelistconfirm', function(e,item) {
diff --git a/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/tab-info.js b/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/tab-info.js
index 017172a23..9236e55b2 100644
--- a/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/tab-info.js
+++ b/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/tab-info.js
@@ -163,6 +163,7 @@ RED.sidebar.info = (function() {
         });
         return el;
     }
+
     function refresh(node) {
         if (node === undefined) {
             refreshSelection();
@@ -271,7 +272,7 @@ RED.sidebar.info = (function() {
                 objectType = "group";
             }
             $(propRow.children()[0]).text(RED._("sidebar.info."+objectType))
-            RED.utils.createObjectElement(node.id).appendTo(propRow.children()[1]);
+            RED.utils.createObjectElement(node.id,{sourceId: node.id}).appendTo(propRow.children()[1]);
 
             if (node.type === "tab" || node.type === "subflow") {
                 // If nothing is selected, but we're on a flow or subflow tab.
@@ -365,7 +366,7 @@ RED.sidebar.info = (function() {
 
                                     }
                                 } else {
-                                    RED.utils.createObjectElement(val).appendTo(propRow.children()[1]);
+                                    RED.utils.createObjectElement(val,{sourceId: node.id}).appendTo(propRow.children()[1]);
                                 }
                             }
                         }
@@ -431,6 +432,7 @@ RED.sidebar.info = (function() {
 
 
     }
+
     function setInfoText(infoText,target) {
         var info = addTargetToExternalLinks($('<div class="red-ui-help"><span class="red-ui-text-bidi-aware" dir=\"'+RED.text.bidi.resolveBaseTextDir(infoText)+'">'+infoText+'</span></div>')).appendTo(target);
         info.find(".red-ui-text-bidi-aware").contents().filter(function() { return this.nodeType === 3 && this.textContent.trim() !== "" }).wrap( "<span></span>" );
@@ -447,6 +449,7 @@ RED.sidebar.info = (function() {
                 $(this).toggleClass('expanded',!isExpanded);
             })
     }
+
     var tips = (function() {
         var enabled = true;
         var startDelay = 1000;
diff --git a/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/utils.js b/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/utils.js
index 33f6c3ea1..183c807b8 100644
--- a/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/utils.js
+++ b/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/utils.js
@@ -365,7 +365,16 @@ RED.utils = (function() {
         }
     }
 
-    function buildMessageElement(obj,options) {
+    /**
+     * Create a DOM element representation of obj - as used by Debug sidebar etc
+     *
+     * @params obj - the data to display
+     * @params options - a bag of options
+     *
+     * - If you want the Copy Value button, then set `sourceId`
+     * - If you want the Copy Path button, also set `path` to the value to be copied
+     */
+    function createObjectElement(obj,options) {
         options = options || {};
         var key = options.key;
         var typeHint = options.typeHint;
@@ -555,7 +564,7 @@ RED.utils = (function() {
                     if (fullLength <= 10) {
                         for (i=0;i<fullLength;i++) {
                             row = $('<div class="red-ui-debug-msg-object-entry collapsed"></div>').appendTo(arrayRows);
-                            subElements[path+"["+i+"]"] = buildMessageElement(
+                            subElements[path+"["+i+"]"] = createObjectElement(
                                 data[i],
                                 {
                                     key: ""+i,
@@ -585,7 +594,7 @@ RED.utils = (function() {
                                 return function() {
                                     for (var i=min;i<=max;i++) {
                                         var row = $('<div class="red-ui-debug-msg-object-entry collapsed"></div>').appendTo(parent);
-                                        subElements[path+"["+i+"]"] = buildMessageElement(
+                                        subElements[path+"["+i+"]"] = createObjectElement(
                                             data[i],
                                             {
                                                 key: ""+i,
@@ -641,7 +650,7 @@ RED.utils = (function() {
                                 newPath += "[\""+keys[i].replace(/"/,"\\\"")+"\"]"
                             }
                         }
-                        subElements[newPath] = buildMessageElement(
+                        subElements[newPath] = createObjectElement(
                             data[keys[i]],
                             {
                                 key: keys[i],
@@ -1369,7 +1378,7 @@ RED.utils = (function() {
     }
 
     return {
-        createObjectElement: buildMessageElement,
+        createObjectElement: createObjectElement,
         getMessageProperty: getMessageProperty,
         setMessageProperty: setMessageProperty,
         normalisePropertyExpression: normalisePropertyExpression,