diff --git a/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/common/treeList.js b/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/common/treeList.js
index d4523f88f..3b6e2cde3 100644
--- a/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/common/treeList.js
+++ b/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/common/treeList.js
@@ -340,7 +340,7 @@
             if (child.depth !== parent.depth+1) {
                 child.depth = parent.depth+1;
                 // var labelPaddingWidth = ((child.gutter ? child.gutter[0].offsetWidth + 2 : 0) + (child.depth * 20));
-                var labelPaddingWidth = ((child.gutter?child.gutter.width()+2:0)+(child.depth*20));
+                var labelPaddingWidth = (((child.gutter&&!child.gutter.hasClass("red-ui-treeList-gutter-float"))?child.gutter.width()+2:0)+(child.depth*20));
                 child.treeList.labelPadding.width(labelPaddingWidth+'px');
                 if (child.element) {
                     $(child.element).css({
@@ -562,8 +562,9 @@
                 }).appendTo(label)
 
             }
-            // var labelPaddingWidth = (item.gutter?item.gutter.width()+2:0)+(depth*20);
-            var labelPaddingWidth = (item.gutter ? item.gutter[0].offsetWidth + 2 : 0) + (depth * 20)
+
+            var labelPaddingWidth = ((item.gutter&&!item.gutter.hasClass("red-ui-treeList-gutter-float"))?item.gutter.width()+2:0)+(depth*20);
+
             item.treeList.labelPadding = $('<span>').css({
                 display: "inline-block",
                 "flex-shrink": 0,
diff --git a/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/tab-info-outliner.js b/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/tab-info-outliner.js
index 3159622b6..e6eff18ae 100644
--- a/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/tab-info-outliner.js
+++ b/packages/node_modules/@node-red/editor-client/src/js/ui/tab-info-outliner.js
@@ -563,7 +563,7 @@ RED.sidebar.info.outliner = (function() {
         }
     }
     function getGutter(n) {
-        var span = $("<span>",{class:"red-ui-info-outline-gutter"});
+        var span = $("<span>",{class:"red-ui-info-outline-gutter red-ui-treeList-gutter-float"});
         var revealButton = $('<button type="button" class="red-ui-info-outline-item-control-reveal red-ui-button red-ui-button-small"><i class="fa fa-search"></i></button>').appendTo(span).on("click",function(evt) {
             evt.preventDefault();
             evt.stopPropagation();